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Some great media coverage 
20th-Sep-2010 12:00 pm
Facepalm
I don't know about you guys, but every time something comes on the news about witches or paganism, it always seems to take a turn for the worst. At least that's how it is around here, in NJ. Local news involving pagans usually paints us all under a bad light and the term "Satanist" seems to be synonymous with "Witch", at least for the sake of the media. Recently, I was talking to a friend about the differences between "Pagan" and "Witch" as well as, particularly, "Wiccan" versus "Witchcraft." I thought the below-linked youtube video really explained it well, at least the way I consider things to be.

But I digress. This morning, I was checking my yahoo e-mail when I see the headline "Witchcaft comments from the past haunt Christine O'Donnell."

For the link-o-phobes, the article talks about a Republican Senate-Seat nominee who has, in the past, admitted to dabbling in witchcraft, but having never joined a coven. She states that "One of my first dates with a witch was on a satanic altar, and I didn't know it. I mean, there's a little blood there and stuff like that."

What do you guys think about this? Do you know anyone who directly associates witchcraft with satanic practices? How do you feel about this sort of thing hitting headlines? Do you think witchcraft will ever get to clear its name despite such negative coverage?




Comments 
16th-Nov-2010 09:13 pm (UTC)
Do you know anyone who directly associates witchcraft with satanic practices?

I dunno, in my time I've probably met seveal thousand people, all devout Christians, who consider anything related to witchcraft in any degree to be of Satanic origin.

Of course, I've been living in the heart of the Bible Belt for damned near forty years.

How do you feel about this sort of thing hitting headlines?

I'm largely indifferent to it.

Do you think witchcraft will ever get to clear its name despite such negative coverage?

Not as long as there are people who believe in the literal truth of the Christian Scriptures.




16th-Nov-2010 09:33 pm (UTC)
Do you know anyone who directly associates witchcraft with satanic practices?
Most of the Abrahamic fundamentalists and other ignorant peoples.

How do you feel about this sort of thing hitting headlines?
Bored, mostly. A bit miffed, perhaps - why do I never get invited on cool dates like that?

Do you think witchcraft will ever get to clear its name despite such negative coverage?
There will always be idiots willing to make such accusations against 'others' and there will always be idiots willing to believe them. Look, for example, at the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (over 100 years old) and blood libel (since the 12th century). So no, I don't believe we'll ever eliminate stupidity.

I only listened to a part of the video; I don't necessarily view it as accurate and researched enough to merit positing on nonfluffypagans; I hold the bar quite a bit higher here than, say, on pagan.
16th-Nov-2010 09:49 pm (UTC)
It wasn't a "resource" video. Instead, it was someone's opinion of what witchcraft was.
16th-Nov-2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
Sorry he lost me when he said "Greetings, my name is Blaze."
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16th-Nov-2010 10:24 pm (UTC)
He lost me when he started saying 'pacific', instead of specific or particular. 'Pacific', the last time I checked, referred to an Ocean.
16th-Nov-2010 10:23 pm (UTC)
....I think I know that guy.

I was surprised to see this at the top of my friends' page, since Christine O'Donnell's "I'm not a witch, I'm you" campaign is kind of old news. And then I looked at your date and it's set at 9-20-2010. So now I'm wondering if something is wrong with my LJ account....

Do you know anyone who directly associates witchcraft with satanic practices?
My entire family does. It makes it difficult for me to practice sometimes because I spend a lot of time acting for them. But if I didn't act, it would make my life that much more difficult. Fortunately, I have wonderful friends and a wonderful husband (and in-laws!) who understand and let me be who and what I am without judgment.

How do you feel about this sort of thing hitting headlines?
Usually how it goes is that it upsets me a little, but then I get over it. Witchcraft gets negative coverage because people are so ignorant. I just remind myself that I'm smarter than they are and I feel better. =P

Do you think witchcraft will ever get to clear its name despite such negative coverage?
I really hope so. But I don't think that will change. There are too many Christine O'Donnells out there stirring that pot of hatred.
16th-Nov-2010 10:49 pm (UTC)
No I think it just got accepted now? I posted this the day I saw it on the yahoo homepage and I facepalmed at it. I'm so sorry about your family. I wish everyone could be openminded and accept the religious/spiritual beliefs of others. My entire family is pagan except for my Roman Catholic German grandma...who is surprisingly lax about the whole thing.
16th-Nov-2010 10:57 pm (UTC)
Ohh, OK. I forgot that posts on this community are moderated. =)

It would be nice, but c'est la vie, I suppose. It'll be way more complicated when my husband and I try having children. I can't figure out how to raise pagan kids without their grandparents finding out. Kids say the darnedest things. =P At what age did you start learning about your parents beliefs? Was secrecy an issue with your family?
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16th-Nov-2010 10:50 pm (UTC)
I'm seeing the post date as 9/20, too. I don't know what's up with that, especially since the previous post is dated today.
17th-Nov-2010 02:28 pm (UTC)
Err, you can blame us mods for that. Somehow this blew right under all of our radar and when I accepted another post yesterday I got a "hey slacker, you want to accept this one too" notification from LJ.
16th-Nov-2010 10:35 pm (UTC)
So, true story time... I first became aware of witchcraft in high school. Looking for more info (and honestly, I was looking to feel special and unique and amazing in anything), I ended up following around a group of looney toons who, among other things, upon exiting the theater after seeing The Craft on opening day held a long, amazed, and totally unironic conversation about how 'real' and 'accurate' the movie's portrayal of witchcraft had been. I was embarrassed to be seen with them after that.

My point? Who doesn't pal around with wankers in high school? To hold someone accountable in their adult life for some goofy kids stuff* they dabbled in during their high school years is ridiculous. Unless it was violent or somehow harmful to others, who cares? People will get worked up over the most absurd things.

What do you guys think about this? Do you know anyone who directly associates witchcraft with satanic practices?

Off hand, I can't think of anyone who had expressed the witchcraft=satanism opinion to me, although I currently live with a lapsed catholic family, so I'm really not keen to bring up the subject.

How do you feel about this sort of thing hitting headlines?

I think it's pretty much a given that the media will take anything and try to sensationalize it. Especially during an election. In a few months, I doubt anyone will even remember it.

Do you think witchcraft will ever get to clear its name despite such negative coverage?

I don't think coverage like this will be the deciding factor in whether or not witchcraft is ever accepted into the mainstream. I think it'll be efforts on the part of the pagan community to take a solid, positive role in local communities to show that it's no different to have a coven in the neighborhood than to have the requisite Baptist or Catholic church on the corner. Which means it'll take a lot of weeding out of the aforementioned wankers.


(* In this case, I am using 'kids stuff' to mean the need to splash a velvet covered table with animal's blood and call it a Satanic altar to sound cool... not real, honest attempts at any kind of pagan spirituality.)
16th-Nov-2010 10:46 pm (UTC)
I didn't encounter that crowd until college. Once I went to college I met this one girl who dressed all in black, wore black lipstick and had a giant pentacle around her neck. Her voice was monotone and she wrote poetry for her troubled soul. Her room had an altar which was covered in animal blood and even a few animal skulls that she'd "collected herself". No, not as in "found something dead and buried it to later unearth and bleach the skulls." She claimed she was a Wiccan. I found Silver Ravenwolf books proudly displayed on her bookshelf and her BoS was full of love spells designed to force people to love her. We had a movie night and we asked her to bring her favorite movie, you know, to include her. She brought "The Craft."
16th-Nov-2010 10:54 pm (UTC)
So THAT'S where she went, after high school! ;)

I am ashamed to say I had my own collection of SRW books. It was right about the same time I knew those Craft kids. I read some really, fantastically bad books in my desperation!

(I unashamedly love 'Practical Magic', though. I know it's complete garbage, but it amuses me so and Stockard Channing is fantastic!)
16th-Nov-2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
Trends and fads and the need to be popular have forever distorted the true meanings of the words "Wiccan" "Pagan", "Witch" et al.

Generally speaking I consider the term "Witch" to be the covering aspect;
That is to say "Witch" denotes a believer but does not define the strain or denomination.
A "Christian" is a believer but that moniker does not denote them as Baptist, Catholic, Methodist.

A Satanist is (By my definition, which in no way is authoritive) is a Witch.
A believer.

Satanism presents it's own unique problems when it comes to definition because there is more than one.

The traditional counter-cultural Satanist ala LeVey and the wanna-be-shock-rocker "Hey look at me I'm a bad-ass and I worship the devil" aspect.

I have at one time or another been associated with both.
Do I know anyone that directly associates Satanism with Witchcraft?

Yes. I do. As outlined above.

How do I feel about this sort of stuff hitting the headlines?

Indifferent. The media does not take it seriously. It's a quirky little fluff piece for them. I have yet to see them interview anyone that I would consider a real witch, pagan, or satanist.
It's usually some fat girl with low self-esteem, horrible make-up, and an even more hideous wardrobe seeking attention and espousing to know all the secrets of nature but she can't even make a decent cup of tea.

Or it's comic-book-guy from the Simpsons who has proclaimed himself to be a 33rd and 1/3 degree master oracle of the denutian realm of the misticlees or some such nonsense.
He is so powerful he has to limit himself to solo-worshipping because if he were to start a coven the power would be too much for the grid to handle and the space/time continuim would collapse.
Besides, there is only room in his moms basement for one or two people.

Will Witchcraft ever clear it's name?

It's name doesn't need clearing. It needs true believers to define it properly when it under scrutiny.

That is where the problem lies. Witchcraft is one of the few if not only, belief systems that does not command it's followers to go out and kill or convert others.
It is basically a "Clan" philosophy of life.
Keeping the gods of family and friends close.
Most Pagans I know don't feel the need to defend or justify our beliefs so we are not really offended when we see the media misrepresent the term.

We also chuckle a little bit at the Dungeon and Dragons gamemasters passing themselves off to the media as experts in the spirtual realms.And how the media oft-times buys into it.

Personally I don't need the media or the public to give my beliefs validity.
Therefore I don't really care if they laugh at witches,paint them in a dark light,or anything of the sort. It has nothing to do with what I believe.

They won't get a rise out of me until they try to tell me HOW I should believe. Then we're going to have problems.
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