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13th-May-2010 03:40 pm
mystery on the prowl
I know this is off topic and I apologize if it offends, but I trust this community to give me thoughtful answers. I'm writing a fan fic and I need the villain to be able to hide his actions from clairvoyants. He only has a trace of innate talent, but great deal of will and patience to learn thaumaturgy. I never really worry about hiding what I'm doing that beyond basic wards I don't know what he would do. What gods to invoke or herbs, minerals or materials to use.

What would you do if you were trying to sneak up on a clairvoyant?
13th-May-2010 11:09 pm (UTC)
Well he would have to drop out of fate.
13th-May-2010 11:22 pm (UTC)
It's important that they pick their shoes carefully. Squeaky soles would be a dead give-away.

One option might be misdirection. Have an accomplice go 'LOOK, A RAPTOR!' and while everyone's distracted the villain can STRIKE. If the clairvoyant character is a geeky sort, nerd sniping might work as a distraction.
14th-May-2010 01:20 am (UTC)
Occult nerd sniping. Put together an incredibly complex ritual that doesn't quite make sense. While the clairvoyant is shouting "BUT WHAT THE HELL IS THE EYE OF NEWT FOR!?!", you shoot him or her in the head.
13th-May-2010 11:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I tried doing my own homework and all I was coming up with was Dion Fortune's Psychic Self-Defense. I remember not liking it when I picked it up twenty years ago. But if that's the best there is I'll go dig up a copy.
13th-May-2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
Really, just make something up that fits with the rest of the story. Real-life clairvoyants aren't as spiffy as all that. It's not spidey-sense after all. If I wanted to sneak up on someone who had clairvoyant talents, I'd do it just like I'd sneak up on anyone else.

If their skills are all that, they'll foresee me doing whatever it is I'm doing to hide. Honestly, the more mojo I call to hide behind, the more likely I am to get noticed, in some way.
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14th-May-2010 01:16 am (UTC)
By drawing down James Randi.
14th-May-2010 03:15 am (UTC)
14th-May-2010 02:47 am (UTC)
Why not check a book of symbology - there are many lists online and google will help you there, and then make up a ritual from there.
Milky quartz to represent clouded sight, Hermes/Mercury in his role as god of thieves, Hades as guardian of hidden things...
It does depend on the setting of the fic - which fandom, and how that fandom handles magic. Ultimately, go with what feels like it could work.
14th-May-2010 03:16 am (UTC)
Mantra may work. Might I suggest "'Tenser,' said the tensor, 'tension, apprehension, and dissention have begun.'"


14th-May-2010 04:52 am (UTC)
I come from a shamnic background, so my ideas may be a bit on the unusual side :)

As for how to confuse/sneak up on a clairvoyant: It would depend on the individuals' training. Shamans might send out totems to cause confusion, while someone - say a witch or eclectic pagan - might make a poppet to get a similar effect. While a clairvoyant would be hard to hide from, one may be able to skew the clairvoyant's visions just enough to make them see or understand something differently than they would hope. By the time the victim gets what's going on it's too late. As for spells and the such - Pretty much anything would work as it's all in intent rather than the words ;) . Some gods are pickier in their rituals than others. Wine is popular with most Gods. If using North American Totem animals/Gods, use tobacco and sage.

Things to think about: what are the skills of the clairvoyant? How good are they? If they're really good, their ability to see would definitely be quite impressive. But just because you can see, doesn't mean you can decipher what's being seen. I'm not sure what you have planned with your characters so I'm babbling at this point, heehee.

Herbs/Incense to use: Again, below are my preferences. I really like Dragon's Blood, Frankincense and Bay Leaves. Bay leaves, even from a store, work. Just remember they Stink like Hades when lit. Sage is traditional where I live, and if contacting a trickster totem such as Coyote or Crow, tobacco would be a demanded offering.

Gods to call: My own choices would be Anubis (A Protector and Guide), Ma'at (If the individual was needing legal help. Her caller would really need a clean slate or their past will come back and haunt them) or Thoth (Master Spell caster and God of Wisdom). There's also the idea of Modern God Archetypes, which basically says that today's pop culture characters are tomorrow's gods. **Waves her hand, mildly embarrassed** I'm one of those individuals who's Gods use characters such as Edward Scissor Hands and Hell Boy to pass messages on. I know someone who gets contacted by Lobo from the comics. It's comical to talk about, but he gets results.

Totems that can help 'trick' someone include Coyote (Who's probably related to the guy who wrote Murphy's law) and Crow. Raven's a shape shifter and could probably help hide people's identities.

Hopefully those will give you some ideas. Good luck :)! I'm currently doing a Fan Fic myself that uses an alien Shaman. Oy Vey... >.< I'm using some of the experiences I've had as a basis, but.. yeah. It's interesting getting it print.
21st-May-2010 10:51 am (UTC)
There's also the idea of Modern God Archetypes, which basically says that today's pop culture characters are tomorrow's gods. **Waves her hand, mildly embarrassed** I'm one of those individuals who's Gods use characters such as Edward Scissor Hands and Hell Boy to pass messages on. I know someone who gets contacted by Lobo from the comics. It's comical to talk about, but he gets results.

Makes you wonder what Deadpool would end up being the god of. 4th wall breaking? Randomness? Meta?
14th-May-2010 05:40 am (UTC)
In Teutonic stories, from what I remember - there were Runes for this. Feel free to take the interpretation of "inscription and/or invoking poem". This kind of question actually came up during those. They used different languages for the concept than we do - but basically similar. Details of these of course is not very well known, outside that the poems frequently attributed to specific qualities sometimes of the Gods, and that there was a VERY specific poetic form. It's battle-magic stuff.

be aware in such stories the very act of being tricky for the purpose of hiding from direct action were considered highly cowardly - and that was a culture that considered cowardice to be essentially "evil".

Of course in that culture - talent was in the shaping of words properly, and images truly (by certain rules) - and could be learned.
14th-May-2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
My specialty is Norse rather than Teutonic, but Odin's 10th song-spell from the Havamal may be interpreted as a spell-disruption: "at night when witches ride and play in the air, I weave such spells that they arrive home without their skin and with wits bewildered."

And I definitely second the idea that not-doing-things-in-public-means-you-oughtn't-do-them. It's very common in both older-sourced and more recent Scandinavian sagas. Admittedly many sagas are recorded through a later, Christian lens, but proper witchcraft or seid (or however we transliterate that word), in Norse society, seems generally to have been practiced by ignoble people.
14th-May-2010 11:54 am (UTC)
Sneak up on them.
14th-May-2010 12:22 pm (UTC)
The villain should have an assistant with extremely large breasts. She should then be instructed to wear a string bikini and parade around in front of the clairvoyant. The villain can then sneak up on him. If the clairvoyant is a hetero female, the assistant can be an ex-chippendale (that doesn't have extremely large breasts).
14th-May-2010 12:22 pm (UTC) - oh, and kudos to the mods
love the tags on this post.
14th-May-2010 12:34 pm (UTC)
Long-range sniper rifle. I've never met a clairvoyant who can sense a bullet from a mile away.

*nod nod*
14th-May-2010 12:37 pm (UTC)
So, less snarky...I'm not clairvoyant but I am empathic. The easiest way to sneak up on me would be in a crowd. The more people there are around, the harder it is for me to focus on a single person. It would be beneficial to your villain if the clairvoyant was alone or with someone pretty self-absorbed. The reason people don't sneak up on me in crowds is that my husband (knowing that crowds are confusing to me) keeps a very close eye on me.
14th-May-2010 01:47 pm (UTC)
14th-May-2010 03:33 pm (UTC)
tin foil hat.
The tags on this are wonderful.
15th-May-2010 04:21 am (UTC)

14th-May-2010 04:43 pm (UTC)
Who left the backdoor open again, goddamnit?

16th-May-2010 10:11 pm (UTC)
It was me. I admit it. I have been rather absent minded as of late.

Either that or we need new locks.
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